Peter,
Have you thought of removing the props, shafts and rudders? Not sure how the P brackets are secured, but may give you extra clearance.
Toby
Doing the Charleston!
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Hi Toby, Nick
Many thanks for your input
Yep both engines and both Gearboxes are missing
Along with a a large amount of interior and fittings, including all the windows, just a couple of perspex windows on the aft cabin.
All up including the cradle it weighs in at a smidge over 6 tons.
Just popped up to the Barn and i would have to lift the stern quite high to drop the rudders and slide the props and shafts out.
The current plan is to lift her up and weld some fresh steel box under each of the outside cradle beams they are heavily rusted, (2 more in the middle each side of the keel)
The two centre beams have large U channel bolted and welded on the under side.
The leading and trailing edge of the steel box will have been shaped .
Then 10 x 3.5m scaffold tubes will be slipped under, we will lay out a timber a runway in 18mm structural ply (blimey thats expensive !! i used to get it free !!)
Once sat on tube and box section the boat should be just high enough to not damage the stern gear as it rises up the slope.
I have a '93' jeep Wrangler with a 12000lb winch and a decent snatch block to double the pull.
There is a useful vertical girder up-right at the rear of the Barn, its clad in concrete and block but hopefully a couple of cheeky holes and a steel hawser will give me something to chain the Jeep to and away we go !!
Ill take snaps and a vid to hopefully upload to this site.
Chers
Peter
Many thanks for your input
Yep both engines and both Gearboxes are missing
Along with a a large amount of interior and fittings, including all the windows, just a couple of perspex windows on the aft cabin.
All up including the cradle it weighs in at a smidge over 6 tons.
Just popped up to the Barn and i would have to lift the stern quite high to drop the rudders and slide the props and shafts out.
The current plan is to lift her up and weld some fresh steel box under each of the outside cradle beams they are heavily rusted, (2 more in the middle each side of the keel)
The two centre beams have large U channel bolted and welded on the under side.
The leading and trailing edge of the steel box will have been shaped .
Then 10 x 3.5m scaffold tubes will be slipped under, we will lay out a timber a runway in 18mm structural ply (blimey thats expensive !! i used to get it free !!)
Once sat on tube and box section the boat should be just high enough to not damage the stern gear as it rises up the slope.
I have a '93' jeep Wrangler with a 12000lb winch and a decent snatch block to double the pull.
There is a useful vertical girder up-right at the rear of the Barn, its clad in concrete and block but hopefully a couple of cheeky holes and a steel hawser will give me something to chain the Jeep to and away we go !!
Ill take snaps and a vid to hopefully upload to this site.
Chers
Peter
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Peter,
you will only get 2/3 weight of vehicle anchorage, so for your jeep it will be c 900kg Recalculating at 6t will require about 6t of pull, so your 12000lb winch will be on its limit. Note that it will pull 12,000lb on the bottom layer and having seen these type of winches at their limit they can overheat. I assume you are using the anchor point at the far end of the barn with the jeep winching from outside through a snatch block. This will only give 1:1 so you will need another snatch block to give you 2:1 indirect. The mechanical advantage is just that (ie a factor of 2) so it will only require 3t of pull, which is what Nick means by block and tackle. DO make sure your kit is designed for these loads. The hook on the end of your winch should be rated for 12000lb or more (as that is what the winch rating is), and the snatch block for double that as it could see 24,000lb or 12t in real money, although in this instance it will probably only see 6t. Your snatch block needs to fit the winch rope snugly or it will damage it and it's sheave diameter needs to be at least 10 times the winch rope diameter to avoid damaging the rope. Also your shackles chains and strops need to be up to the mark. Never assume out any safety factors. Finally, if you are using your Jeep, you will need to anchor it - I have plates and pins so can generate up to 16t of anchorage as long as I have something to knock it into. I wouldn't worry about putting lots of ply down, unless the ground is rough and uneven, but your plan to raise the stern with more metal is a good one, especially if the leading edge is chamfered like a boat's bow. Be careful with rollers, as unless you have a check tackle, the boat may move on its own with potential for disaster. (Perfect tirfor task).
I have drawn up a tackle layout in powerpoint, but as I am to IT as concrete is to flying, I can't seem to upload it and for some reason the membership list isn't working so I can't even email it although will do so as soon as I have an email address.
Finally, I am happy to lend you some of my tackle, if you are short of rated kit, most of which will fit in the car, or even help out...
PS if you can send photos of the problem, I may be able to add more value.
Toby
you will only get 2/3 weight of vehicle anchorage, so for your jeep it will be c 900kg Recalculating at 6t will require about 6t of pull, so your 12000lb winch will be on its limit. Note that it will pull 12,000lb on the bottom layer and having seen these type of winches at their limit they can overheat. I assume you are using the anchor point at the far end of the barn with the jeep winching from outside through a snatch block. This will only give 1:1 so you will need another snatch block to give you 2:1 indirect. The mechanical advantage is just that (ie a factor of 2) so it will only require 3t of pull, which is what Nick means by block and tackle. DO make sure your kit is designed for these loads. The hook on the end of your winch should be rated for 12000lb or more (as that is what the winch rating is), and the snatch block for double that as it could see 24,000lb or 12t in real money, although in this instance it will probably only see 6t. Your snatch block needs to fit the winch rope snugly or it will damage it and it's sheave diameter needs to be at least 10 times the winch rope diameter to avoid damaging the rope. Also your shackles chains and strops need to be up to the mark. Never assume out any safety factors. Finally, if you are using your Jeep, you will need to anchor it - I have plates and pins so can generate up to 16t of anchorage as long as I have something to knock it into. I wouldn't worry about putting lots of ply down, unless the ground is rough and uneven, but your plan to raise the stern with more metal is a good one, especially if the leading edge is chamfered like a boat's bow. Be careful with rollers, as unless you have a check tackle, the boat may move on its own with potential for disaster. (Perfect tirfor task).
I have drawn up a tackle layout in powerpoint, but as I am to IT as concrete is to flying, I can't seem to upload it and for some reason the membership list isn't working so I can't even email it although will do so as soon as I have an email address.
Finally, I am happy to lend you some of my tackle, if you are short of rated kit, most of which will fit in the car, or even help out...
PS if you can send photos of the problem, I may be able to add more value.
Toby
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Yep Tis True "O" Wise Owl !!
I had planned on dropping to part time this year, but something rather large and needing some serious love and even more serious cash has popped into my life !!!
But a plan is being nurtured.
I have a stack of questions building, but i'll sit tight until i have properly got my teeth into her once she has dried out (found out "Charleston" was Mr De Savery's wife).
I have taken the swim platform off to give me a tad more room when it moves into its home, the De Savary aluminium swim Platform will be up for grabs, as i purchased a S/S Swim platform from a lovely chap moving from a Huntsman to a Swordsman several years ago (it was from Basingstoke/Andover area i think)
I didnt have the heart to cut it about to fit my Sea Ray and it was destined for a new life as a garden seat !! then ??
Regards, Peter
I had planned on dropping to part time this year, but something rather large and needing some serious love and even more serious cash has popped into my life !!!
But a plan is being nurtured.
I have a stack of questions building, but i'll sit tight until i have properly got my teeth into her once she has dried out (found out "Charleston" was Mr De Savery's wife).
I have taken the swim platform off to give me a tad more room when it moves into its home, the De Savary aluminium swim Platform will be up for grabs, as i purchased a S/S Swim platform from a lovely chap moving from a Huntsman to a Swordsman several years ago (it was from Basingstoke/Andover area i think)
I didnt have the heart to cut it about to fit my Sea Ray and it was destined for a new life as a garden seat !! then ??
Regards, Peter
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Charleston is now indoors, all water removed and hopefully begin to dry out.
We welded some fresh box section to the existing support cradle
Cut up a few scaffold poles as rollers
Laid out a few sheets of building ply
Secured a Jeep Wrangler to the barn rear wall
Set up a series of snatch blocks/pulleys and hey presto in she came on the Jeeps 12000lb 12 volt winch !
Although it took a Range Rover on tick over with some heavy duty jump leads and both Jeep batteries to keep the winch running !! but no smoke so must have been ok !!
We need to carry out a tricky manoeuvre to the rear of the shed to keep her out of the way, but now we are on smooth concrete I will put her on some machine skates and re work the winch position.
Many thanks for the kind support and advice, its amazing what a few meaty pulleys and a bit of advice and thinking can do.
Restoration must surely be just as easy !!!
Before we moved Charleston i cleared out every last drop of water in the Bilges, within a week of being indoors there was approx 1" of water returned , it will be interesting to see how much water has seeped in/out ? this week .
I have received Charles L book, absolutely superb, if you don't have a copy then rectify that error immediately, its a complete joy to read and own and its got my boat in it , its a shame it won't look the same as that for another few years !!
Regards
Peter
We welded some fresh box section to the existing support cradle
Cut up a few scaffold poles as rollers
Laid out a few sheets of building ply
Secured a Jeep Wrangler to the barn rear wall
Set up a series of snatch blocks/pulleys and hey presto in she came on the Jeeps 12000lb 12 volt winch !
Although it took a Range Rover on tick over with some heavy duty jump leads and both Jeep batteries to keep the winch running !! but no smoke so must have been ok !!
We need to carry out a tricky manoeuvre to the rear of the shed to keep her out of the way, but now we are on smooth concrete I will put her on some machine skates and re work the winch position.
Many thanks for the kind support and advice, its amazing what a few meaty pulleys and a bit of advice and thinking can do.
Restoration must surely be just as easy !!!
Before we moved Charleston i cleared out every last drop of water in the Bilges, within a week of being indoors there was approx 1" of water returned , it will be interesting to see how much water has seeped in/out ? this week .
I have received Charles L book, absolutely superb, if you don't have a copy then rectify that error immediately, its a complete joy to read and own and its got my boat in it , its a shame it won't look the same as that for another few years !!
Regards
Peter
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Hi,
Indoors at Angmering, West Sussex, just outside Worthing
Nice non chain pub at end of the lane !
Yep the rotty bits are definitely powdery now.
I have put the heat-gun to a couple of areas externally and the paint seems to be lifting very nicely.
I will take the advice and scrape by hand the areas above the waterline, i have acquired a rather tasty ladder on wheels (library steps) so Sally can help out and not feel "left out" with the scraping !!!
Haven't "surprised" her with this lovely gift as yet !
But i am still keen to use a soft blasting method for all the areas below the water-line, to properly exposes any rot and to save on some effort.
What are your thoughts ?
She (Charleston, not Sally) is also still sitting on its De-Savery cradle which is obstructing decent access to her bottom etc, need to plan a lift and onto some blocks maybe.
Indoors at Angmering, West Sussex, just outside Worthing
Nice non chain pub at end of the lane !
Yep the rotty bits are definitely powdery now.
I have put the heat-gun to a couple of areas externally and the paint seems to be lifting very nicely.
I will take the advice and scrape by hand the areas above the waterline, i have acquired a rather tasty ladder on wheels (library steps) so Sally can help out and not feel "left out" with the scraping !!!
Haven't "surprised" her with this lovely gift as yet !
But i am still keen to use a soft blasting method for all the areas below the water-line, to properly exposes any rot and to save on some effort.
What are your thoughts ?
She (Charleston, not Sally) is also still sitting on its De-Savery cradle which is obstructing decent access to her bottom etc, need to plan a lift and onto some blocks maybe.
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Hi Peter, that all sounds quite positive. IMHO it will be good to somehow expose the areas currently shielded and supported by the cradle, however if the boat is lifted some thought should be given to the possibility of the hull distorting. I have not seen the boat in its current condition but unless there is significant interior structure which will assist shape retention, it is 'possible' that the sheer size and weight could result in distortion. In the water the hull is supported very evenly, alas a trailer of any description will create high pressure points. Charles comment above is probably quite fitting.
It is a big project and vital that your support network and kept on side with copious amounts of tea (or Prosecco !)and a nice safe ladder is a good move. I hope you will take a break and come and see us at the Cowes weekend 3rd week in August, meanwhile best of luck.
It is a big project and vital that your support network and kept on side with copious amounts of tea (or Prosecco !)and a nice safe ladder is a good move. I hope you will take a break and come and see us at the Cowes weekend 3rd week in August, meanwhile best of luck.
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